tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post4472241840760356677..comments2024-03-25T20:40:44.806-04:00Comments on Literary Rejections on Display Now Has Long COVID: Rearing its HeadWriter, Rejectedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17241982229214057815noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-29880632307733528202012-07-25T22:41:47.307-04:002012-07-25T22:41:47.307-04:00I blame the American culture which encourages self...I blame the American culture which encourages self-delusion on a grand expensive scale. Being able to "think up" a beginning middle and end or graduate from a program doesn't make one a story teller. Stories are independent domineering wraiths who appear out of nowhere and take over one's life until they've had their say. Unless you're telling the story of your life then your life takes over your life, but that's another story.Cari Hislophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15717398455999202660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-75959863201568051682012-07-24T17:20:53.748-04:002012-07-24T17:20:53.748-04:00Being pro-good writing is not at all the same as b...Being pro-good writing is not at all the same as being pro-MFA. The generalizations that happen in this argument are truly astounding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-48161373454052906502012-07-22T14:55:23.477-04:002012-07-22T14:55:23.477-04:00To 7/19 Anon,
Sorry to hear that you didn't g...To 7/19 Anon,<br /><br />Sorry to hear that you didn't get accepted to an MFA program this year. Better luck next time!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-6781909449187795162012-07-20T06:43:41.399-04:002012-07-20T06:43:41.399-04:00Anon,
I think that readers of this blog are tire...Anon, <br /><br />I think that readers of this blog are tired of the kind of silliness inherent in your argument (if you could call the kinds of unsupported generalizations you make an argument). What's at stake for you in denigrating MFA programs or anyone else's writing for that matter? And Yuppy fiction? Is this the '80s?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-6795583669499460022012-07-19T14:04:58.214-04:002012-07-19T14:04:58.214-04:00For the last year or so I visit this site about tw...For the last year or so I visit this site about twice a month. It's lost all vitality -- and now I see why.<br />The criticism that the first anon makes would have, in the past, been supported. But what do I see? -- all pro-MFA reponses.<br />So what's become of all those who held the belief that all was not hunky-dory in this best of all possible literary worlds --that, in fact, it stinks? Have they given up and retired from the fray (realizing it's useless to fight City Hall)? Have they committed suicide (I hope not; it's not worth it). Have they moved to another blog? <br />BTW -- I occasionally read MFA-generated fiction. To make a generalization: finely-wrought prose totally lacking in substance. It's Yuppy fiction.<br />This is the masterful product of MFA programs? <br />Read Saramago's <i>Blindness</i>, people, and weep. You can't learn that in any class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-77003876021654287232012-07-15T18:53:07.336-04:002012-07-15T18:53:07.336-04:00Yeah, honestly, to anyone who's ever worked at...Yeah, honestly, to anyone who's ever worked at a literary magazine, the paranoid misapprehension out there that readers are looking for MFA degrees in cover letters is completely laughable. No one cares. No one really cares about anything in a cover letter, barring the person already being well known. That helps. But even bigtime credits--i.e New Yorker, Paris Review, etc.--don't really raise eyebrows after the first couple of stories with said CLs that turn out to stink. <br /><br />People need to spend less time being bitter about MFAs and more time improving their writing, is the bottom line. Good writing ultimately gets published.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-90128851333889727032012-07-15T15:26:11.256-04:002012-07-15T15:26:11.256-04:00I also know plenty of writers, and happen to be on...I also know plenty of writers, and happen to be one, myself, who were publishing before ever considering an MFA...and who subsequently continue to publish without ever mentioning their academic backgrounds in a cover letter. Truly, I DO NOT MENTION IT, because at least in that context it seems utterly irrelevant. My cover letter says pretty much this: Here's a story. Hope you read it, hope you want it. If not, thanks anyhoo. I send stories out, and they get taken or rejected, and unless some unimaginably curious slush-pile reader with some unimaginable amount of time on her hands is doing some fairly serious googling, magazine readers don't know whether I have an MFA or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-73155048451694789542012-07-15T11:36:12.248-04:002012-07-15T11:36:12.248-04:00The post above makes some very good points. It tak...The post above makes some very good points. It takes a certain type of person to even want to do an MFA--the type of person who's willing to uproot themselves for 2-4 years and spend most of those years writing, studying writing, talking about writing and teaching writing. Should it be hugely surprising that this type of person is, on average, harder working and, to put it bluntly, better at writing than the average non-MFA writer? I don't think so.<br /><br />It's true that, as per Anon 1's complaints, back in the day, plenty of great writers didn't have MFAs. But back in the day, there weren't a million MFA programs and a thousand offering full funding. It's not pro-MFA to say that most serious writers in 2012 will at least consider availing themselves of the resources an MFA provides, just a statement of fact. The idealized "writer as a lone voice in the wilderness" persists, and there are some examples, but by and large talented writers in today's economy are going to take advantage of the one opportunity they have to get funding and health insurance for a few years, and why shouldn't they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-59639534264754013462012-07-14T22:57:10.308-04:002012-07-14T22:57:10.308-04:00UGH. This debate always feels to me like the same ...UGH. This debate always feels to me like the same sort of conspiracy theory that leads people to claim a left-wing media cabal. You'll see it if you want, but you're bending the facts backward: a lot of writers have MFAs not because they feel they need one to be published but because (gasp) THEY LOVE WRITING AND WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME PERFECTING THEIR CRAFT AND MFAS HELP THEM DO THIS. It's a self-selecting degree in that sense.<br /><br />I find it odd that I rarely ever see discussed the idea that MFAs can make people better writers and that is why people get them and also why people publish during and after their programs. For a lot of people I know, there was never even an attempt to publish before the MFA. The degree often gives people tools to publish they didn't have before, in all senses. So why is it surprising that people with MFAs are often published? <br /><br />And for the record, I've been published plenty and I almost never include my academic information in my cover letters. In fact, I get the sense that journals, publishers and agents are actively looking for non-MFAed writers because they seem more authentic. If anything, I've run into reverse, anti-MFA snobbery FAR more often than it's opposite. In fact, I've NEVER heard anyone say of anyone ever, "Oh, that person is a really good writer but he doesn't have an MFA so I totally can't take him seriously." Ridiculous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-87467213232598921872012-07-14T19:35:01.754-04:002012-07-14T19:35:01.754-04:00I see this debate come up quite often, here and at...I see this debate come up quite often, here and at other sites. As a current MFA candidate at what is a top ten program according to the PW/Seth Abramson rankings (you might think such rankings are BS, and you might be right--just trying to offer some credentials), perhaps I can shed some light, or at any rate offer my opinion on the value of an MFA.<br /><br />The way people talk about it, the gatekeepers at magazines and publishing houses don't let you in the door without flashing your MFA security badge. I can assure you, with or without an MFA, you are usually not getting through these doors. Let me put it another way: You are much more likely to get published if you spend the next three years working on your trashy vampire or lite S&M novel, than if you spend them workshopping and teaching at Iowa or Brown or wherever. <br /><br />I have worked on the editorial board of one of the better-known literary magazines. I can 100% unequivocally state that we gave no preference to submissions from MFA holders. After the first week, I barely read the cover letters, and at any rate learned quickly that academic pedigree and even former publications had very little correlation with the likely quality of a piece. It's true that we had a slush pile and an "Approved" pile (rubber stamped for various reasons by the editor), but to my knowledge they weren't categorized as such b/c of the author's academic history. I read a metric ton of slush submissions from MFAers out of top-flight programs. <br /><br />Here's the main thing an MFA degree is good for: having time to write. That's it. Having two or three funded years to learn and to work on your projects. Afterwards, the large majority of MFA holders return to the workforce. <br /><br />Now, it's true that you get to network a little. You meet people you wouldn't have met otherwise, and I'm sure a few savvy types manage to parlay these social connections into publishing deals, but I've never seen it. MFA or no MFA, getting published mostly comes down to working harder than everyone else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2703861414547309188.post-81741968410096214152012-07-13T10:18:05.007-04:002012-07-13T10:18:05.007-04:00Anon #1's problem is, he thinks literary ficti...Anon #1's problem is, he thinks literary fiction is "good", e.g., better than genre fiction, while failing to realize that literary fiction is simply another genre.Court Merriganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02674875918626755289noreply@blogger.com